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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr 2012 6:43 pm 
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Are there direct English translation for the following Irish names:

Domhnall
Furadhran
Suibhne
Conghal
Dounghal


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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr 2012 6:49 pm 
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Translations? or English "versions" (ie. rough phonetic transcriptions) ?

Domhnall -> Donald

Suibhne ->Sweeney

Dounghal isn't a right Irish spelling because -ou- doesn't exist in Irish...

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Webiter wrote:
Are there direct English translation for the following Irish names:

Domhnall
Furadhran
Suibhne
Conghal
Dounghal


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I'm useless for questions like this, but I just wanted to say, 'welcome to ILF!' And there's no need for an embarrassed smiley, there are WAY worse questions than that asked around here! :mrgreen:

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Lughaidh wrote:
Dounghal isn't a right Irish spelling because -ou- doesn't exist in Irish...

Yeah, I think it is meant to be Dubhghall and the English is "Dougal".

I did come across a reference in Wikipedia to "Conghal, meaning 'as fierce as a wolf'", but where they got that from, I do not know.

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Yeah, I think it is meant to be Dubhghall and the English is "Dougal".


yeah, Dougal or Dowell, I think.

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Lughaidh wrote:
Translations? or English "versions" (ie. rough phonetic transcriptions) ?

Domhnall -> Donald

Suibhne ->Sweeney

Dounghal isn't a right Irish spelling because -ou- doesn't exist in Irish...


Thanks Lughaidh,

Sweeney is a surname nowadays. Can Sweeney be a persons first name in Gaelic?


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Webiter wrote:
Lughaidh wrote:
Translations? or English "versions" (ie. rough phonetic transcriptions) ?

Domhnall -> Donald

Suibhne ->Sweeney

Dounghal isn't a right Irish spelling because -ou- doesn't exist in Irish...


Thanks Lughaidh,

Sweeney is a surname nowadays. Can Sweeney be a persons first name in Gaelic?


All second names in Irish were origionally first names.The Suibhne clan (Sweeney) were associated, if I'm not mistaken, with the Gallóglaigh (foreign warrior). The Gallóglaigh were the fiercist warriors of Medieval Ireland. They were origionally vicking mercenaries from the Scottish Hebrides (hence the word Gall (foreigner). But eventually the Gaels themselves became Gallóglaigh. The were famed through out Europe and there is a famous painting by Albert Durer of them in the 16th Centuary- One warrior is holding the Claidheamh mór (the great sword). Funny enough dubhghall is an Irish word to describe other the invaders from North Western Europe. Dubhghall is the dark haired stranger attested to the Nordic people.

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An Cionnfhaolach wrote:
Webiter wrote:
Lughaidh wrote:
Translations? or English "versions" (ie. rough phonetic transcriptions) ?

Domhnall -> Donald

Suibhne ->Sweeney

Dounghal isn't a right Irish spelling because -ou- doesn't exist in Irish...


Thanks Lughaidh,

Sweeney is a surname nowadays. Can Sweeney be a persons first name in Gaelic?


All second names in Irish were origionally first names.The Suibhne clan (Sweeney) were associated, if I'm not mistaken, with the Gallóglaigh (foreign warrior). The Gallóglaigh were the fiercist warriors of Medieval Ireland. They were origionally vicking mercenaries from the Scottish Hebrides (hence the word Gall (foreigner). But eventually the Gaels themselves became Gallóglaigh. The were famed through out Europe and there is a famous painting by Albert Durer of them in the 16th Centuary- One warrior is holding the Claidheamh mór (the great sword). Funny enough dubhghall is an Irish word to describe other the invaders from North Western Europe. Dubhghall is the dark haired stranger attested to the Nordic people.


Thanks for the breakdown.

Dounghal / Dubhghall. This guy that I am was seeking to put a English descriptive name on was the King of a Petty Gaelic Kingdom about the year 620 before the Battle of Moira (Magh Rath). From what you have set out could the Black or Dark Warrior be used to faithfully describe this Dounghal ?

This other fellow Furadhran that I included in the list was the King of the same Petty Kingdom at the time of the Battle of Moira in the year 637. It is old stuff but could the Furadhran name be somewhat broken down so as to facilitate some meaningful description as before ?


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