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 Post subject: Let's sing: Dúlamán
PostPosted: Sun 08 Jul 2012 11:29 pm 
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This is a well-known Irish song. You can hear (and see) a performance of it at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAfW5BcY1C4. I'll give the lyrics first, followed by a phonetic rendering.

Lyrics
A 'níon mhín ó, sin anall na fir shúirí
A mháithairin mhín ó, cuir na roithléan go dtí mé

[Curfá:]
Dúlamán na binne buí, dúlamán Gaelach
Dúlamán na farraige, b'fhearr a bhí in Éirinn

Tá ceann buí óir ar an dúlamán gaelach
Tá dhá chluais mhaol ar an dúlamán maorach

Bróga breaca dubha ar an dúlamán gaelach
Tá bearéad agus triús ar an dúlamán maorach

[Curfá 2x]

Góide a thug na tíre thú? arsa an dúlamán gaelach
Ag súirí le do níon, arsa an dúlamán maorach

Rachaimid chun Niúir leis an dúlamán gaelach
Ceannóimid bróga daora ar an dúlamán maorach

[Curfá]

Ó chuir mé scéala chuici, go gceannóinn cíor dí
'Sé'n scéal a chuir sí chugam, go raibh a ceann cíortha

[Curfá]

Cha bhfaigheann tú mo 'níon, arsa an dúlamán gaelach
Bheul, fuadóidh mé liom í, arsa an dúlamán maorach

Dúlamán na binne buí, dúlamán Gaelach

[Curfá]

Dúlamán na binne buí, dúlamán Gaelach
Dúlamán na farraige, b'fhearr a bhí, b'fhearr a bhí
Dúlamán na binne buí, dúlamán Gaelach
Dúlamán na farraige, b'fhearr a bhí, b'fhearr a bhí
B'fhearr a bhí in Éirinn

Phonetics
Note that the uppercase syllables are where the beats in the song lie. (I found it helpful to write things this way when I first began singing in Irish.) I've slurred together words that need to be slurred to fit the metre; they wouldn't necessarily be pronounced that way when speaking normally. And of course, phonetics are only approximate.

DOO-luh-MON, DOO-luh-MON GWAY-luh (buncha times)

uh NEEN veen OH shin uh-NOLL nuh feer HYOO-ree
uh WAH-hu-reen veen OH kweer nuh RAW-huh-lin guh JEE meh

[Chorus]
DOO-luh-mon nuh BIN-yuh bwee, DOO-luh-mon GWAY-luh
DOO-luh-mon nuh FAR-ih-guh, BAR uh vee in AY-rin

DOO-luh-MON, DOO-luh-MON GWAY-luh (buncha times)

tuh KYAN bwee OR er uh DOO-luh-mon GWAY-luh
tuh GAW hloo-ish WEEL er uh DOO-luh-mon MWAY-ruh
tuh BROH-guh brack-uh DOO er uh DOO-luh-mon GWAY-luh
tuh BAH-rayd agus DROOS er uh DOO-luh-mon MWAY-ruh

[Chorus]
DOO-luh-mon nuh BIN-yuh bwee, DOO-luh-mon GWAY-luh
DOO-luh-mon nuh FAR-ih-guh, BAR uh vee in AY-rin

Dah dah dee... (lilting)

[Chorus]
DOO-luh-mon nuh BIN-yuh bwee, DOO-luh-mon GWAY-luh
DOO-luh-mon nuh FAR-ih-guh, BAR uh vee in AY-rin

gwih-JAY uh hoos nuh CHEER hoor-sun DOO-luh-mon GWAY-luh
egg SOO-ree leh do NYEN ar-sun DOO-luh-mon MWAY-ruh
ROK-uh-mid hun NYOOR lesh uh DOO-luh-mon GWAY-luh
kyan-OH-mid broh-guh DAYR er uh DOO-luh-mon MWAY-ruh

[Chorus]
DOO-luh-mon nuh BIN-yuh bwee, DOO-luh-mon GWAY-luh
DOO-luh-mon nuh FAR-ih-guh, BAR uh vee in AY-rin

HOOR meh shkay-luh HICK-ee guh GYAN-oh-een kwir DEE
shayn SHKAYL a hoor she HOO-gum guh ROW a kyan KEER-huh

[Chorus]
DOO-luh-mon nuh BIN-yuh bwee, DOO-luh-mon GWAY-luh
DOO-luh-mon nuh FAR-ih-guh, BAR uh vee in AY-rin
DOO-luh-mon nuh BIN-yuh bwee, DOO-luh-mon GWAY-luh
DOO-luh-mon nuh FAR-ih-guh, BAR uh vee in AY-rin

kuh WEE-un too muh NAYN er-suh DOO-luh-mon GWAY-luh
well fuh-DOH-ee meh lum EE ar-sun DOO-luh-mon MWAY-ruh

[Chorus]
DOO-luh-mon nuh BIN-yuh bwee, DOO-luh-mon GWAY-luh
DOO-luh-mon nuh FAR-ih-guh, BAR uh vee in AY-rin, etc.

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PostPosted: Sun 08 Jul 2012 11:45 pm 
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It's an Ulster song and your phonetic transcriptions don't look like Ulster one. But anyway.
Here are some corrections in the spelling (looks like you've copied-and-pasted it from the internet, where the same full of mistakes transcription has been copied and pasted everywhere by people who hadn't a clue about Irish :rolleyes: ):

Lyrics
A níon mhín ó, sin anall na fir shuirí
A mháithrín mhín ó, cuir na roithleáin go dtí mé

[Curfá:]
Dúlamán na binne buí, dúlamán Gaelach
Dúlamán na farraige, ab fhearr a bhí in Éirinn

Tá ceann buí óir ar an dúlamán Ghaelach
Tá dhá chluais mhaol' ar an dúlamán mhaorach

Bróga breaca dubha ar an dúlamán Ghaelach
bearád agus triú(i)s ar an dúlamán mhaorach

[Curfá 2x]

Goidé a thug (chu)n na tíre thú? arsa an dúlamán Gaelach
Ag suirí le do níon, arsa an dúlamán maorach

Rachaimid go Doire (?) leis an dúlamán Ghaelach
Ceannó(cha)imid bróga daora ar an dúlamán mhaorach

[Curfá]

Ó chuir mé scéala chuici, go gceannó(cha)inn cíor di
'S é 'n scéal a chuir sí chugam, go raibh a ceann cíortha

[Curfá]

Cha bhfaigheann tú mo níon, arsa an dúlamán Gaelach
Bhuel, fuadó(cha)idh mé liom í, arsa an dúlamán maorach

Dúlamán na binne buí, dúlamán Gaelach

[Curfá]

Dúlamán na binne buí, dúlamán Gaelach
Dúlamán na farraige, ab fhearr a bhí, ab fhearr a bhí
Dúlamán na binne buí, dúlamán Gaelach
Dúlamán na farraige, ab fhearr a bhí, ab fhearr a bhí
Ab fhearr a bhí in Éirinn

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PostPosted: Sun 08 Jul 2012 11:55 pm 
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Sigh. Mhwombat lives in Ulster, and speaks Irish with native speakers there on a regular basis.

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PostPosted: Mon 09 Jul 2012 12:52 am 
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Nice work, mhwombat. :clap:

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PostPosted: Mon 09 Jul 2012 2:33 pm 
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Redwolf: sigh, the song in the video, although it's a song from Ulster, is sung by Méav, who speaks Munster Irish, and she pronounces that song more or less with a Munster pronunciation (nach dtug tú sin fá dear?). And Mhwombat transcribed it as Méav pronounces it. That's why I said it wasn't an Ulster pronunciation.
If you don't believe me I can give you examples of what isn't Ulster. And you can also listen to Mairéad Ní Mhaonaigh singing that song (even though it's not the same version but most verses are the same)... You'll see the difference from Méav's one.

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DOO-luh-MON, DOO-luh-MON GWAY-luh (buncha times)


DOO-luh-MAHN
G°AY-lah (unstressed -ach in Ulster have a clear ah-sound, not -uh as in Munster and Connachta)

Quote:
uh-NOLL nuh feer HYOO-ree


uh-NAHL

nuh firh hih-rhee / huh-rhee
(it would be hyoo-ree if it were spelt shiúraí)


Quote:
tuh GAW hloo-ish WEEL er uh DOO-luh-mon MWAY-ruh


taa yaa (or ghaa) khloo-esh... etc

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PostPosted: Mon 09 Jul 2012 4:07 pm 
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The version by Clannad is the one I'm used to (but of course there's Altan too)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNWkqieJsrQ
and there are the lyrics on Celtic Lyrics Corner - but I couldn't say whether they are absolutely accurate or not


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PostPosted: Mon 09 Jul 2012 6:24 pm 
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franc 91 wrote:
The version by Clannad is the one I'm used to (but of course there's Altan too)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNWkqieJsrQ
and there are the lyrics on Celtic Lyrics Corner - but I couldn't say whether they are absolutely accurate or not

That's the first one I ever heard and still my favourite. :good:

Unfortunately with Irish music, the lyrics aren't always correct on the net and don't always match the version you are looking for - often not even in the album sleeve notes in the artists' own CDs (or cassettes or records, if you go back that far. :winkgrin: ) that the songs appear on. :rolleyes:

mhwombat has still done a wonderful job collating all the bits and pieces into a singable version. It is easy to be critical when someone else has done all the hard work. Fair play to her for putting it out there for us.

(And, Lughaidh, if you think you could do better, feel free to start your own thread with the version of your choice. :wave: )

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PostPosted: Mon 09 Jul 2012 6:39 pm 
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I originally wrote this for someone who specifically wanted to sing that particular version. I ran across it again recently, and I thought it might be useful, so I brought it here for safekeeping.

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PostPosted: Mon 09 Jul 2012 7:08 pm 
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Well it will give me the opportunity of comparing the two versions :)


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I'm looking forward to you all recording yourselves singing your chosen version and putting up the sound files for the rest of us to enjoy! :lah: :lah: :lah: :lah:

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