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PostPosted: Sun 16 Jun 2013 2:13 pm 
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In a section on verbal nouns in the book Essential Irish Grammar, I came across this sentence: “The correct way of saying ‘beating me’…is do mo bhualadh, and not ag bualadh mé."

That is "beat" in the sense of "to strike someone"? Is there any other way of understanding this word in this particular phrase? It seemed like an odd example, so I'm wondering if it was meant in some other sense.

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PostPosted: Sun 16 Jun 2013 5:16 pm 
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Yes, do mo bhualadh = (verb to be +) striking me, hitting me, beating me.
It means "at my hitting" etc, actually.

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PostPosted: Sun 16 Jun 2013 5:46 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
Yes, do mo bhualadh = (verb to be +) striking me, hitting me, beating me.
It means "at my hitting" etc, actually.
That's how I learned it – but with a totally different spelling and, I assume, a different pronunciation.

This is probably just a dialect difference, but instead of "do mo" I was taught:
ag + mo = am
am bhualadh – "at my hitting" (hitting me)

ag + do = ad
ad bhualadh – "at your hitting" (hitting you)

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PostPosted: Sun 16 Jun 2013 7:34 pm 
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Right but this is Munster Irish only, as far as I know

In Ulster we say "bhí sé 'mo bhualadh", "bhí sé 'do bhualadh" ("ag do" etc but we drop the "a(g)" in this case)

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PostPosted: Sun 16 Jun 2013 8:01 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
In Ulster we say "bhí sé 'mo bhualadh", "bhí sé 'do bhualadh" ("ag do" etc but we drop the "a(g)" in this case)
Hmmm … I guess maybe it's in Connacht that they say "do mo" – I dunno :dhera:


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PostPosted: Sun 16 Jun 2013 8:33 pm 
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Thank you, everyone. This answer was more complicated than I expected!

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PostPosted: Sun 16 Jun 2013 10:29 pm 
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I seem to remember that there was a slight difference in meaning, or emphasis, between "do" and "ag" here.
Maybe with the impersonal?
Does that sound familiar?
Wish I'd paid more attention when I had the chance.... :reading: :guiness:


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PostPosted: Sun 16 Jun 2013 10:45 pm 
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So, they don't say "do mo bhualadh" in Munster Irish, nor in Ulster Irish. A reliable person has just let me know that they also don't say "do mo bhualadh" in Connacht Irish, either. It looks like this is an example of one of those things that is in the "official standard", but is not used by any native Gaeltacht speaker.

am bhualadh – Munster

'mo bhualadh – Ulster

go mo bhualadh – Connacht


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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jun 2013 12:02 am 
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WeeFalorieMan wrote:
go mo bhualadh – Connacht

That's just how do mo bhualadh is pronounced in Connacht. :winkgrin:

The "spelling" is do mo bhualadh because that's where it came from, but it is pronounced like go mo bhualadh, because do and de are both pronounced /gə/ in Connacht.

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jun 2013 12:04 am 
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Breandán wrote:
The "spelling" is do mo bhualadh because that's where it came from, but it is pronounced like go mo bhualadh, because do and de are both pronounced /gə/ in Connacht.
Ah, I see what you mean. :)

Still, I think my informant was right when he said that nobody actually says "do mo" in Connacht.


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