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 Post subject: Seancharr ach carr nua?
PostPosted: Thu 15 Mar 2012 11:09 pm 
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The old comes before car, but the new comes after it.

Cen fáth?

I have often wondered about this, but never thought to ask.

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Mar 2012 11:19 pm 
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It's the same in Welsh.

Why, I don't know. :D

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Mar 2012 11:22 pm 
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"Sean" is just one of those adjectives in Irish that can act as a prefix...no idea why.

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Mar 2012 11:24 pm 
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I bet Breandán or Lughaidh will know.

Saoirse - This could be another long thread....
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Mar 2012 11:28 pm 
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Bríd Mhór wrote:
I bet Breandán or Lughaidh will know.

Saoirse - This could be another long thread....
:D


:rofl:

Edited as I thought this smilie might be more suitable if it starts to get too technical.
:bolt: :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Mar 2012 11:39 pm 
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Bríd Mhór wrote:
I bet Breandán or Lughaidh will know.
Redwolf wrote:
"Sean" is just one of those adjectives in Irish that can act as a prefix...no idea why.
Redwolf
:yes:

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr 2012 11:02 pm 
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Any more knowledge floating around out there on this one? Are there other prefixxy adjectives (to use the technical term)?

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Yes, sean- is an adjective that is prefixed, normally, as droch- and some others.
Why? I think there's no explanation, it's the way it is (it's like, why do you say "men" in English and not "mans" :-) )

As Bríd said, it's the same in Welsh with hen-, in Breton with hen- (in placenames etc, you don't use it anymore to say "old"), in Gaelic with seann- etc. It was already a prefixed-only adjective in Common Celtic, I think.

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr 2012 11:17 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
why do you say "men" in English and not "mans" :-)
We never refer to man in the plural as we can only cope with one at a time! :mrgreen:

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Yes, sean- is an adjective that is prefixed, normally, as droch- and some others.
I should have thought of droch. Are there many others?

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Níl anseo ach tuairimíocht, ach... recall that úr is a sysnonym for nua, and it is prefixed. Maybe nua came into the language much later, and as a loan-word, wasn't handled in the usual way.

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