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PostPosted: Sun 18 Mar 2012 9:42 pm 
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Bríd Mhór wrote:
I'll be the third then. :D


Now, that I didn't anticipate! :clap:

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Mar 2012 9:49 pm 
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Bríd Mhór wrote:
Breandán or I could do a soundfile for Conamara Irish.
And Lughaidh for Donegal Irish.
Maybe we could get Gumbi to do Munster.
Who else here has Munster Irish?


labhraím Gaoluinn na Mumhan chomh maith má thá aon chabhair bhuaibh!

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Mar 2012 11:03 am 
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Breandán wrote:
If possible I'd like to put up the same phrase in standard and the three major dialects, so people can learn the differences - but will we ever agree on a version for each. :LOL:


I was going to suggest that as well, each phrase in all three dialects. It would be extremely helpful for me to see how Munster differs from the others, both in word usage and sentence structure. The lack of Munster learning materials is somewhat disheartening.

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Mar 2012 1:36 pm 
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The lack of Munster learning materials is somewhat disheartening.


there is the old Teach Yourself Irish, in West Cork Irish, with recordings (by a native speaker), for free, online... please don't complain because there's nothing like that to learn Ulster Irish, not any single book that would teaches to speak as people do!
Connemara Irish has Learning Irish
Munster Irish has the old Teach Yourself
Ulster Irish has... nothing so far.

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Mar 2012 1:49 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
Ulster Irish has... nothing so far.


That is a pity. And rather odd really, considering the amount of people who choose to learn Ulster dialect.
If I didn't already have Irish already I'd choose Ulster. It has a lovely lyrical sound to it. And mostly uncontamined by the Caighdeán.


On second thought I think it is better to have the first phrase as "hello" "how are you?" in the 3 dialects.
Rather than "cá bhfuil an leithreas?" :D
And like Breandán originally suggested to have it in a locked thread, and questions about it referred to this thread.

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Mar 2012 1:53 pm 
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Right, I propose two things:

First, let's make it Frása na Seachtaine/Phrase of the Week.

Second, I propose we start of with a conversation fragment.

I think in Connemara, two older people might greet each other:

A: Dia dhuit ! "Hello!" (to one person)
B: Dia's Muire dhuit ! "Hello!" (reply to one person)

Or arriving at a group:

A: Dia dhaoibh ! "Hello!" (to a group)
B: Dia's Muire dhaoibh ! "Hello!" (reply to a group)

And a third person might greet the first two:
C: Dia's Muire's Pádraig dhaoibh !

And a fourth person might greet the first three:
D: Dia's Muire's Pádraig is Bríd dhaoibh !

I think that's the traditional Connemara pattern. But I've heard Munster starts at Dia's Muire duit ! and works up? Is that true? What about Ulster?

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Mar 2012 2:01 pm 
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Bríd Mhór wrote:
On second thought I think it is better to have the first phrase as "hello" "how are you?" in the 3 dialects.
:yes:

'Gaschaint' by Úna Lawlor, is a useful resource for precisely this kind of thing. Simple everyday phrases to help someone not brought up with Irish as a first language.

http://www.litriocht.com/shop/product_i ... ts_id=3883

For example:

'Look down!'
Gaeilge Chonnacht - 'Breathnaigh síos!'
Gaeilge Uladh - 'Amharc síos!'
Gaeilge na Mumhan - 'Féach síos!'

The idea of the thread sounds very interesting.

I was about to 'submit' when I saw Breandán's post, but figured I'd go ahead and submit anyway. I agree with all that he said too.

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Mar 2012 2:07 pm 
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Breandán wrote:
I think that's the traditional Connemara pattern. But I've heard Munster starts at Dia's Muire duit ! and works up? Is that true? What about Ulster?


Yep, in Munster we start off with Dia's Muire dhuit. That is definitly true of the irish of an Rinn, not to sure about Corca dhuibhne or Músraighe, but I'd say they have the same tradition.

and then the freagra: Dia 's Muire 's Pádraig dhuit

After that you have bríd and so on- I don't think there's much of a pattern after Bríd you can name any saint you want.

But, because of the caighdeán in schools this tradition is only in Gaeltacht areas and is still very strong in an Rinn.

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I think you'd start with "Dia duit" in Ulster and the other person would answer "Dia's Muire duit".
But anyway I didn't hear that too often in Ulster because people rather say "halló" or "dé mar atá tú?" or things like that. I think "Dia duit" is formal, and normally in the Gaeltacht, people know each other most of the time :)

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Mar 2012 4:37 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
I think you'd start with "Dia duit" in Ulster and the other person would answer "Dia's Muire duit".
But anyway I didn't hear that too often in Ulster because people rather say "halló" or "dé mar atá tú?" or things like that. I think "Dia duit" is formal, and normally in the Gaeltacht, people know each other most of the time :)


That's been my impression as well.

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