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 Post subject: Re: Irish for Quickly
PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2012 9:37 pm 
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I think many of these are really dialectal differences:

go beo and scioptha are Connemara.

I don't think that go is required with scioptha. :?:

And sciobtha is the original spelling but the b is devoiced when followed by th.)

go gasta is more Ulster, I think.


Déan deabhadh would probably only be used in Munster.

(Notice that if Gumbi thinks something is "good", it is almost invariably a Munsterism? ;)
Munster dialect is of course "good" - just not necessarily "the best". :LOL: )

Connacht uses deifir for "hurry" and difríocht or difear for "difference".

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 Post subject: Re: Irish for Quickly
PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2012 9:57 pm 
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scioptha - around here pronounced as "sciopí"

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 Post subject: Re: Irish for Quickly
PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2012 10:04 pm 
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Bríd Mhór wrote:
scioptha - around here pronounced as "sciopí"
So obvious I forgot to mention it. :facepalm:

The past participle/verbal adjective ending -tha is pronounced like -(u)í/i:/ (w)ee (with devoicing of the preceding consonant) in Connacht. :yes:

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 Post subject: Re: Irish for Quickly
PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2012 10:09 pm 
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Breandán wrote:
The past participle/verbal adjective ending -tha is pronounced like -(u)í/i:/ (w)ee (with devoicing of the preceding consonant) in Connacht. :yes:


But I would never be able to explain it like that though. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Irish for Quickly
PostPosted: Thu 03 May 2012 2:48 am 
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deifir and scioptha are both on forvo

http://www.forvo.com/word/deifir/
http://www.forvo.com/word/scioptha/ <-- Bríd is that you?

I have to add (this is funny)... my husband (who is not an Irish learner) just walked by and I play both the scioptha pronunciations for him. When he heard the first one, he said, "What? Look how it's spelled. No way." When he heard the second one from generalbelly, he said, "Hey, see, that guy pronounces it they way it should be pronounced. That's how it's spelled." I looked on the map and saw that the second one was more southern. Husband was like, "The southern Irish people have it right. Others are wrong." Then walked away. :LOL:

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 Post subject: Re: Irish for Quickly
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mimerim wrote:
http://www.forvo.com/word/scioptha/ <-- Bríd is that you?

Yep. :yes:

The pronunciation of deifir by "Clare" is school Irish. Hopefully, Bríd can put a better version up for us.

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 Post subject: Re: Irish for Quickly
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Breandán wrote:
mimerim wrote:
http://www.forvo.com/word/scioptha/ <-- Bríd is that you?

Yep. :yes:

The pronunciation of deifir by "Clare" is school Irish. Hopefully, Bríd can put a better version up for us.


Yours is fine Breandán. :good:


mimerim wrote:
"Hey, see, that guy pronounces it they way it should be pronounced. That's how it's spelled."


That is sadly the problem with the Caighdéan spelling.

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 Post subject: Re: Irish for Quickly
PostPosted: Thu 03 May 2012 2:20 pm 
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I get seriously irritated when people who haven't a word of Irish insist that "it isn't pronounced the way it's spelled." Of course it is! Why do people assume that letters and letter combinations make the same sounds in all language? I don't hear English speakers grumbling about words like "ratatouille" and "tortilla" not being "pronounced the way they're spelled"...why pick on Irish in this regard?

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 Post subject: Re: Irish for Quickly
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Yes but ratatouille does follow the caol le caol, leathan le leathan rule whereas tortilla doesn't. (Un point pour nous)


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 Post subject: Re: Irish for Quickly
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franc 91 wrote:
Yes but ratatouille does follow the caol le caol, leathan le leathan rule whereas tortilla doesn't. (Un point pour nous)

:good: :LOL:

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